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Uh oh...
Planehugger truthlings.
But the alleged flights? And if so, flew by remote control or not?
That's another piece of the book.
RawStory has an article about Oliver Stone's movie -- apparently Paramount is courting conservatives for the film. Enough said? Leave comments on RawStory's comment section at the bottom of the article.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
200...tives_0721.html
Jon, you know that the no-planers are a sizable chunk of the truth movement. They are not agents, any more than you or I are. They are just people with a particular obsession.
Like, for instance your conviction that flight 77 hit the Pentagon, against considerable evidence to the contrary.
Let's all join together to fight the real enemy.
I can't get the comments section to come up at that RawStory article -- I've tried disabling my firewall and reloading IE but to no avail... any suggestions?
Well said Andrew Lowe Watson.
http://video.google.com/
videopla...807290597119388
Siegel is planning on showing this film at a rally in DC on 9/11. I really don't think that should be happening if it contains information that Scholars for 9/11 Truth do not endorse.
and most members of st911 are silent about israel, prior knowledge, and the battle for greater israel
nevermind.... I loaded Firefox AND disabled my firewall, and finally I can get into the comments section to explain things to some of the ignorant
I agree. I think he should take that stuff out as it is not verifiably true.
I agree. I think he should take that stuff out as it is not verifiably true.
Actually Andrew... there are different types of "no-planers".
There are "no-planers" at the Pentagon.
(These individuals are the largest contingent of "no-planers" within the movement, and I don't think they are "agents".)
There are "no-planers" at the WTC.
(These individuals can probably be counted on two hands, and might be "agents".)
There are "no-planers" at Schenksville (sp?).
(These individuals are a smaller contingent within the movement, but I don't think they are "agents".)
What about the "considerable evidence" that it was Flight 77?
I'm not going to get into it, but you're only telling one side of a VERY divisive story.
I'm going to say with GREAT CONFIDENCE that I know "who" was behind it, and I'm going to say with GREAT CONFIDENCE that I know "why" it was done.
You guys at Crooks and Liars are damn scary, delete people’s comments like that is something straight out of Orwell’s 1984. What the hell is wrong with you people?
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 2:23 pm | #
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...rooks/10019105/
"Real planes crashed into the Twin Towers"...
The fact that he even has to address that is sad.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 2:03 pm | #
^ True, but at least that craploa will be more marginalized now. It's because of clowns like Nico that C&L delete all 911Truth related comments.
Nanothermate is fairly exotic stuff, is it not? That would greatly restrict where it was procured from. Anybody know?
And let's dump this WMD idea if there is no radiation.
We do know the who.
We do know the why.
Simple?
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Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 2:23 pm | #
^ There you go HAHAHA, jokes!
I agree. And if someone has pull to keep that Rick Siegel film from being promoted in DC on 9/11 weekend this year, that would be helpful. That kind of product just confuses people and creates discredit to the search for truth.
We do know the who.
We do know the why.
Simple?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 2:35 pm | #
True.
True.
True.
Jon, what is the best site to check out info on flight 77 indeed hitting the pentagon?
Nowhere in my travels have I found any of this evidence, (sans what is on MSM, which is not evidence, merely a priori arguments backed up by the blurry checkpoint-cam videos so (to me at least)it is hardly considerable. Indeed, any and all evidence I have seen suggests that 77 did not, so I am very interested in alternative hypothesis.
Siegel needs a new narrator to his film!!!
How can someone suggest the use of WMDs with THAT voice?
It sounds like an SNL skit. Perhaps that's better anyway, since the idea would do more harm than good.
Jon, I'm still muddy on the 'why'. Because of PNAC? new world order? christian zionist rapture? the recipe for crabby patties?
The best one I've seen is www.pentagonresearch.com
JG:
True-True-True.
Still, there's nothing like Prof. Jones' hard physical evidence to nail the bastards.
In terms of "what hit the pentagon"... all i feel i can safely say somewhat for sure is that
"a plane hit the pentagon" .
"this plane was not flown by Hani Hanjour"
"there is no evidence that this plane was a boeing 757, let alone AA 77, and was likely a smaller aircraft."
again, it's smart for the 9/11 truth movement to stay away from the pentagon and just demand the release of all tapes. however, even if/when they do release more tapes, somehow none will show the plane (which is what they've been saying all along. so it works for them on that level, but they're trying stop media coverage, and more people will start to wonder when they see these strange videos on Fox and CNN). they've had plenty of time to edit all the videos by now.
it's best left alone as a mystery. focus efforts on controlled demolition where the evidence is strong.
I also wonder why we don't about United 93 much. i find the evidence for that quite strong.
There are MANY variations as to the why, but the simple argument is this:
1. Money
2. Power
3. Oil
4. America's Hegemony
5. The protection of Israel
6. The logistical placement of bases in that region for future use.
Those are America's reasons for the most part.
Exxon, Halliburton, Carlyle, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, GE, etc...
Check it out I just posted this at C&L, any bets it last more then 5 minuets?
You guys at Crooks and Liars are damn scary, delete people’s comments like that is something straight out of Orwell’s 1984. What the hell is wrong with you people?
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 2:23 pm | #
i was on that site for the first time in months yesterday, and it was indeed VERY 1984. my comments were gone within SECONDS.i actually used the same comments on them, about them being Orwellian.i always tell the site monitors there that they should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
Excellent comment on Steven Jones at www.whatreallyhappened.com
"The planted straw men begin to fall."
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loos...owtopic=995&hl=
fyi Daricus, www.pentagonresearch.com
more than likely wont include the fact that most of the witnessses at the Pentagon were either members of the U.S. government in some capacity(naturally,its the Pentagon) and members of the corporate media. namely USAToday, which has a long history of working with he CIA.
Thanks, Jon, those reasons generally make sense to me, but aren't what I would call simple! I think there must be a complex hierarchy of financial pressures that culminated in these plans coming to pass, but it's hard to grasp.
A lot of people have speculated that part of the reason 9/11 was done was because America was on the verge of waking up at the time. We were starting to wise up to the power structure of the United States, and this was the PTB's last ditch effort to reign in their control.
so many powerful people/groups etc. had so much to gain from 9/11, the lie is so powerful now. too many powerful entities profited from it.anti-war people like Sheehan need to recognize that the big lie is the achilles heal of all this evil.
You got to stop the "why" and hang the "who". The "how" is accessories.
Each of those "categories" can go off on SEVERAL tangients...
Let's talk about the "Who"...
Elements within the Bush Administration. Corporations with ties to the Administration. Politicians (on both sides of the isle) and organizations within the Government who answer to the Bush Administration (CIA, DIA, NSA, DOJ, etc...).
Now, about those foreign governments involved. Saudi Arabia clearly has ties to the Bush Administration. Pakistan clearly has ties to the Bush Administration. Israel clearly has ties to the Bush Administration.
Remember though...
NOT Saudi Arabians...
NOT Pakistanis...
NOT Israelies...
But the Governments of those countries.
Professor Jones has found:
• The levels of radiation measured at and near the World Trade Centers are far below those which would indicate the use of nuclear weapons or mini-nukes
• The thermite/thermate used at the World Trade Centers may have been nanothermite or nanothermate, as opposed to conventional thermite/thermate
• IN FACT, THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS BOTH FORMS WERE USED! THE MOLTEN METAL SEEN FLOWING FROM WTC2 WOULD BE FROM THE CONVENTIONAL FORM, FOR INSTANCE.
• Real planes crashed into the Twin Towers
• NOT JUST MY CONCLUSION – THE SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH HAVE EXAMINED THE EVIDENCE AND DEBATED THE ISSUE, AND THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS IS THAT REAL PLANES CRASHED INTO THE TWIN TOWERS
• The Scholars are split on what hit the Pentagon, and are demanding the release of all video tapes
If someone could make those changes, it would clarify and I would appreciate it…
Also, please point people to the PPT slides, at the URL below – I would rather do this than post the PPT’s as they are now, since I will be adding to these very soon (and probably fairly often for a while).
http://www.physics.byu.edu/resea.../
AnsQJones1.pdf
Thanks!
Steven J
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...019105/?
a=17310
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Thanks, but the ironic part is that you guys are of topic in general with what's really happening. You might as well be the mainstream media, because your denying reality in a very similar way.
Will you even cover this?;
Whistleblower thinks 9/11 inside job
Daniel Ellsberg bravely leaked the "Pentagon Papers" in 1971, which finally turned America against the bloody and amoral war. Now Ellsberg says Washington's despots likely committed the ultimate treason right here at home.
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/
...agon_papers.php
No you probably won't, because blatantly you don't understand just how critical an issue this is. Will C&L ever be brave enough? Not as brave as Daniel Ellsberg obviously. Does "Crooks & Liars" really alluded to protecting those Crooks & Liars then, rather then the exposing of them as was my initial interpretation of your name?
Sites like 911Blogger.com are on the right side of history and are growing in popularity rapidly. Whether as Sites like Daily Kos are being seen now more and more as part of the problem, rather then the solution.
What do you expect for the future of C&L with this pointless Orwellian policy of yours?
Steven J
Steven E. Jones | 07.21.06 - 3:03 pm | #
^ Sir it is an honour! (assuming this is the real deal)
Johnson, Gold is pretty much on with those factors and I think he has a ton about how the economy was near collapse at that time. Not that this was the sole reason for the attacks, but it was just more reason to pull the trigger and reassert American dominance. Webster Tarpley has a pretty clear economic outlook and believes it is all about protecting the dollar.
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/
...tic_Terror_Pt_2
I know some truthers rip peak oil as a globalist scam, but the science is rock solid and surely tied in to the mix. That PNAC paper is a blueprint for what to do in the face is declining energy supply.
http://
www.fromthewilderness.com...html#bullmotive
http://www.oilempire.us/
NOT Pakistanis...
NOT Israelies...
But the Governments of those countries.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 3:01 pm | #
Exactly man!
I am very thankful you and other brilliant people are working so hard on uncovering the truth for us.
I am keeping you and all those in this search in my prayers every night.
That's him.
"C & L...
You guys need to wake up as well. You laud yourselves for exposing the crooks and liars, but you refuse to even bring up or question what really did happen on 9/11.
I enjoy your site, but I will throw you in with Kos, Huffington and other liberal sites. Those talking the big talk but with no balls to cover the real story.
Here is a website with balls: www.911blogger."
phhhh... they only cover 9/11.
Here's a website with REAL balls.
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Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 3:01 pm | #
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...019105/?
a=17310
Predictable as a Bushism.
thank you for your work Professor Jones.history will look kindly on you.
I don't understand how burnt vehicles become evidence for a nuke? :s
There is enough evidence to justify a forensic investigation to determine the who's, what's and how's......ENOUGH WITH THE MAYBE'S!!!
protecting the dollar was another reason, just one of the many.
Your site isn't too bad either
There is enough evidence to justify a forensic investigation to determine the who's, what's and how's......ENOUGH WITH THE MAYBE'S!!!"
I don't know... is this Dylan or Corey?
Jon, Loud Studios is from stoplying.ca,not Louder than Words. i made the same mistake last week,haha.
Bugger Cindy Sheehan...she's worried about getting the boys home from Iraq before she can deal with 9/11 issues...well, guess what, we're trying to stop WWIII....what a witless cow.
This would have been done in anticipation of a movement to uncover 9/11 so that the movement could be discredited later with videos of a 757 flying into the pentagon.
thats quite a stretch to support the fact that scant evidence of a plane was found Channing.
i mean, to support the fact that a 757 hit the Pentagon DESPITE scant evidence.
I just want to tout the idea that maybe - somehow - the perpetrators of 9/11 might have *purposely* left little evidence of a plane crashing into the pentagon to mislead a movement trying to uncover the truth
so they break out the videos of a real 757 hitting the Pentagon and you seriously think thats the end of the movement? we already dont get respect in the mainstream, i dont see how the DoD releasing tapes of a 757 hitting the Pentagon will stop or change anything significantly.there is plenty of evidence for inside job, its everywhere.the Pentagon is only one piece,and a very important one as it has opened peoples eyes to a litany of lies.(remeber the Pentagon flash?that thing turned more people onto 9/11 truth than Loose Change almost.)
"Bugger Cindy Sheehan...she's worried about getting the boys home from Iraq before she can deal with 9/11 issues...well, guess what, we're trying to stop WWIII....what a witless cow.
Anonymous | 07.21.06 - 3:31 pm | # "
9/11 is the ONLY thing with a snowball's chance in hell of getting soldiers home.
http://www.911closeup.com/index....dex.shtml?
ID=90
July 21, 2006
COINTELPRO "Truth" OP
History lesson from
By Gerard Holmgren and Nico Haupt
All we know for sure, based on what we've been shown, is that something, probably a plane hit the pentagon.
oh jesus, if its by Nico its gonna be trash, slandering a bunch of people.
That missive blasts S. Jones as cointelpro. In my mind, S. Jones and D.R.G. are untouchables. Anonymous, why don't you show your bitch profile in here? Let's look at this statement:
"What was Steven Jones doing all this time ?
Hiding in the shadows, letting people like Jeff take the heat, not only from the flag wavers, but also the movement which treacherously united with them against the demolition evidence."
Dude, he didn't even stumble onto truth until recently!
"First, we have proof that the “truth movement” in general is controlled at the highest levels by cointelpro forces. The single most identifiable fact of that proof is David Kubiak. The executive director of “911truth.org” is on record as telling the NY times that Sept 11 was *not* an inside job."
David is no longer the Executive Director of 911Truth.org. That would be Janice Mattews.
All we know for sure, based on what we've been shown, is that something, probably a plane hit the pentagon."
Ask dz what he thinks about the "planted evidence".
I forgot how much I hated that expression.
Based on the evidence, a plane probably hit the Pentagon. What more do you want than that? I haven't seen anything to prove that it was 77, I have only been told it was 77.
Believe what you want, but it is not proven beyond any reasonable doubt to anyone here that 77 hit the Pentagon.
David Kubiak, International Campaign Advisor
Believe what you want, but it is not proven beyond any reasonable doubt to anyone here that 77 hit the Pentagon."
I'm not arguing with you. I just told you to ask dz what he thinks of the "planted evidence" of Flight 77. He once said something to me that made a lot of sense, but I forget what it was... something about having the ability to plant evidence in front of everyone else.
something about having the ability to plant evidence in front of everyone else.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 3:55 pm | #
remember the various "incoming" orders that emptied the Pentagon? this happened more than enough times to plant and or hide evidence.
the Pentagon was emptied numerous times after it was "hit" and even emergency personnel was told to get out.plenty of time.
My opinion is that IF Flight 77 did actually hit the Pentagon, the government would have released a tape showing this to the public months ago to discredit the 911 Truth movement. (the video showing five frames provided a couple of months ago proves nothing)
I myself am not quite sure what happened at the Pentagon. People here make very fine arguments on both sides of the plane/no plane theories. What I am sure of is nothing should have ever been able to hit the Pentagon, unless stand- down orders were issued by someone very high up in the government (i.e. Cheney).
Sorry OT ,but I have created a short 6min clip of Jones and others recent media appearances , and a "911 on the street in Victoria BC"
kind of thing.I would like feedback and music suggestions , etc. How can I upload to the site when I'm done editing?
anyone have an idea why he didn't release his findings yet?
Is he being threatened or something?
Is he waiting to prove arson by thermite?
Is he waiting for other scientists to do independent analysis so they can both submit to a scientific journal at the same time?
What
Is
Taking
So
Long
?
Steven Jones has been outed as a disinfo agent, posing as a professor of physics, yet he's done ZERO 9/11 physics!!! All he's ever done is be a "thermite hunter" and talk about "the planes" (sic), hence this outburst from him before he goes down in history as an outed discredited disinfo agent.
Further, by trying to look for thermite in order to "prove" demolition, he's denied the well-known classical physics, of all things, which had already proven that!!!
(We mostly thought highly of him mainly because MSNBC et al covered him.)
I've matched wits (or tried!) with more than my share of physics professors in my days, and Jones is "playing possum" when it comes to thinking like a competent honest physics professor.
Jones told me on April 21st (after having dragged his feet for months) that he'd have the molecular analysis of the WTC dust sample(s?) in his possession for evidence of molecular dissociation (which would indicate that temperatures hotter than the Sun had been present over a region of significant size, which would rule out "thermite"), "next week". Well, guess what? It still hasn't happened. Steven Jones has not been a man of his word. (Forget that Jones was mixed up in that "cold fusion" fiasco, in which word of the existence of fusion at room temperature hit the mainstream media, only to be later rescinded/retracted as false due to a lack of critical reporting.)
Consider what Jones has really done all this time: distract us from the realization that exotic weaponry was undoubtedly involved in the highly unconventional destruction (beyond the mere deverticalizations) of the 3 WTC buildings by monomaniacally looking for "thermite":
http://911blimp.net/research/
img...inbowHunter.gif
http://911blimp.net/research/
img...inbowHunter.gif
http://911blimp.net/research/
img...inbowHunter.gif
http://911blimp.net/research/
img...inbowHunter.gif
Trying to ascribe Jones' conventional explanation to such a highly unconventional event is even less believable than the government's official version of events of 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No "controlled demolition" (the precise removal of vertical supports so gravity can do its thing straight down) has ever resulted in massive pyroclastic debris flows as were witnessed at "Ground Zero" on 9/11:
http://911blimp.net/images/spire.../
spireFrame.jpg
http://911blimp.net/images/spire...+pyroCloud!
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Use of thermite is not ruled out, but Jones' "thermite theory" is woefully and grossly inadequate and insufficient to account for what occurred at "Ground Zero".
Good, honest investigators certainly have the right to follow their hunches, but not to pre-emptively rule out other possibilities.
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IMHO, the best single measure of a 9/11 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame "Muslim hijackers" for 9/11. Further, if
the presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as government propaganda.
_________________________________________
^ I can vouch for that being total bullsh!t. David Kubiak is a great guy, he got my first little film "ask questions demand answers" up on 911truth.org. The bi!ch who wrote that is more likely to be the "cointelpro".
http://www.911closeup.com/index....dex.shtml?
ID=90
LOL ok, Jon, Sbg, everyone, we're just going to lean from that past now and ignore the trolling, right?
off topic, but WWIII related.
From Wayne Madsen's sometimes reliable sources:
July 21, 2006 -- Informed sources have told WMR that arch-neocon Michael Ledeen, who acts as an unofficial foreign policy adviser to Karl Rove, was at the White House yesterday with a group of Iranian opposition figures. Among the topics discussed was a promised $25 million grant by the Bush administration to the Iranian insurgents. The money is to be used to plant Desert Storm-vintage biological and chemical weapons shells, confiscated by U.S. forces in Iraq, on the Iranian side of the Iraqi border. The weapons will be used as "proof" of Iran's plan to "attack" U.S. troops in Iraq. That will be used to justify, ex post facto, the coming U.S. attack on Iran. Our sources report that George W. Bush dropped by the White House meeting to offer his support to the Iranian opposition operatives.
Great info on Steven Jones!!!! You trying to discredit him only makes me believe even more that he is the real deal. Especially after reading all the disinformation on your suckass website.
Blimp... ignored.
People in Victoria are on to the truth at a street level.Remarkable considering most dont have regular access to highspeednet. SBG , could you help me with my media clip?
It was incredible inappropriate for you to put up this post. The
issue is under considerable discussion on the forum and there is no consensus. I find this very troubling. What do you think you are doing?
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/0...kes-at-
wtc.html
Frankly, when there are so many interesting unresolved issue involved here, I cannot believe that Steve Jones actually wants to commit himself at this point in time. Certainly, given the state of inquiry, we just don't know.
Your post has the effect of tossing a damper on an important question that
requires resolution based upon far more investigation than it has received at this point in time. I am tremendously bothered that you would do this.
Jim
And that's all I have to say about that.
I am truly sorry you feel that way.
Which specific statement do you think has been prematurely committed to?
somebigguy | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 4:25 pm | #
Cool.
Whatever hit the Pentagon was TOO SMALL TO HAVE BEEN A 757, according to quantitative analysis of the government's own evidence (which remains the only view of the Pentagon attack any of us have ever seen).
So, if the video is believable, that proves the govt lied about what hit the Pentagon.
And if the video is fake/forged, that proves that the govt lied about what hit the Pentagon AND obstructed justice into the worst crime in U.S. history.
And, of course, since it's too small to have been a 757, we know that it was not Flight 77, so we know that it was not "Hani Hanjour at the controls"!
So, see, we don't need any other videos to disprove the official govt version of events. (And isn't that, for honest 911 truthers, still the task at hand?)
It may sound like people are being honest and open when they say that they are keeping an open mind when they say that they don't know what hit the Pentagon, but that is dishonest in the sense that even though we do not know what did hit the Pentagon, we already have sufficient evidence to know that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon (as that fable came from the govt which has already thoroughly destroyed its own credibility in this matter). Keeping an open mind (and thus denying the evidence!,) and worrying more about videos we do not have and have not seen than the one we have, is one of the ongoing disinfo campaigns within the 'movement', intended and designed to keep it stuck in a 2002 state of awareness.
=================================================
IMHO, the best single measure of a 9/11 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame "Muslim hijackers" for 9/11. Further, if
the presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as government propaganda.
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"we have examined the evidence and have determined that an aluminum 767 with a plastic nosecone can indeed slip thru the side of the massive columns of wtc2 like a ghost without any of it breaking off on the way in or even losing any speed in the slightest while causing a hole smaller than an aluminum 767 with a plastic nosecone to appear just minutely after the plane has disappeared entirely!"
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did i leave anything out?
oh if only i wasn't so obsessed!
well. since you seem to have the backing of such a fine group of paragons of the truth and nothing but the truth (so help them god) i will just be on my way. toodles!
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Apparently, according to Alex Jones today, the roundtable discussion from the LA Conference will be shown on "American Perspectives" on Wednesday at 8PM, on CSPAN.
Apparently, according to Alex Jones today, the roundtable discussion from the LA Conference will be shown on "American Perspectives" on Wednesday at 8PM, on CSPAN."
I saw your announcement earlier, but I didn't see it on the schedule yet. However, it's still early.
Does http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/p.../im-
2ndlev.html take that into account?
Jim: Please feel free to email me. I want to hear your opinion.
Apparently, according to Alex Jones today, the roundtable discussion from the LA Conference will be shown on "American Perspectives" on Wednesday at 8PM, on CSPAN.
This is good news!
Dr Fetzer, look at it from an average Joe perspective. It might possibly somehow be correct to assume some kind of "nuke" was used. But does that sound very credible e.g. "Hay they used tackle nukes on the towers". Kind of goes into the same category as "no planes hit the Towers", people (even 9/11 sceptics) rightly reject it as bullsh!t. I think Professor Jones is looking at the facts and assessing that it’s unlikely that a “nuke” may have been used. And is therefore putting it out there so that the real issues like Thermate etc (that actually have credibility) can be concentrated on.
PS What the hell is “Wing Tv” doing on st911.org? You do realise those people are bona fide professional assclowns right?
^ Sry "takle" was meant to be "tactical". But thinking about it, a "tackle" nuke would be great for fishing, forget doing it with dynamite, just imagine how many irradiated fish you could catch in one go.
Jon Gold
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This is my problem with SfT; Jim Fetzer claims the right to speak for all - and if another member speaks out in ways that he does not like, he's told off in public.
Have you been suspended yet, GW?
Isn't it time for SfT to establish clear internal guidelines, for example on how to present opinions held by / within SfT?
Wash: So what? That changes nothing to the extent required to make a difference. Introducing extraneous impretinent complications in an attempt to get people to disregard blatantly obvious evidence is an old disinfo trick. Have you fallen for it? (Do you also think that it's just a "coincidence" that the 911 Commission omitted all mention of this evidence, the only view of the Pentagon impact any of us have ever seen? Do you also think that it's just a "coincidence" that the 911 disinfo campaign also ignored it, even as disinfo agent John Judge claimed to be telling us what the 911 Commission had omitted from its report? Wake the hell up already, please. The govt omitting its own evidence from its own report was a huge smoking-gun, yet John Judge went on for 149 pages ostensibly detailing the report's omissions, and he omitted the same govt-lie-breaking evidence. I think some of the people who post in this forum definitely need to [re-]take Dot Connecting 101). Stop dismissing/denigrating the same evidence which the government (and the bulk of the government's fake/phony 911 truth movement) tries to get us to ignore, already! No honest investigator has the right to ignore case-breaking evidence.
All: if I'm wrong about the fact that Professor Steven Jones is a 9/11-truth fraud, then can anyone, anyone at all, please show me what actual 9/11 PHYSICS Jones has done?
I'll show you mine even if you don't/can't show me his.
Jones hasn't DONE physics, he's DENIED it, by pretending to need evidence of "thermite" to prove that the towers did not passively fail!!! (Wake up and connect the dots, people... Many of you are every bit as pathetic as are people who still don't "get it" at all about 9/11!)
Jones, a professional (ie, paid) professor of physics, is clearly "playing possum", which would not be so serious except he's distracting and diverting us from our very important task at hand by fixating on "thermite", which is woefully inadequate and insuffient to explain what happened at "Ground Zero".
Worrying about signs of "radiation" is also a distractive red-herring from Jones. It insinuates/presupposes that a conventional 1940s-style fission device is the only kind of nuclear device in anyone's arsenal (IOW if there's not radioactive barium all over the place then there was no A-bomb explosion), which was already theoretically false by the 1950s (when other explosive nuclear technologies already existed) and obviously functionally false by 2001!!!
Jones also acts like his professed friend, disinfo agent Jim Hoffman, by denying evidence, worrying more about evidence we do not have than the evidence we do... Why honest 911 truthers can't grasp this is a puzzle, unless there are no honest 911 truthers.
Give it up, Professor Jones. Many of us are wise to your disinformative distractive diversive (Hoffman-hugging, 400-backpacks-worth-of-thermite) downplay-the-evidence limited-hangout anti-scientific physics-denying ploys already.
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IMHO, the best single measure of a 9/11 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame "Muslim hijackers" for 9/11. Further, if
the presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as government propaganda.
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